I thought this would be interesting... so I made a poll about people's political views. The poll is fairly limited, but maybe we can find a political trend in IA2 enthusiasts. Or maybe there will be complete difference in opinion and there will be some NOT heated discussion/debate. Nobody go overboard or flame... after all, arguing on the internet is like the special olympics.

If you would like me to add a category, don't vote yet, and post it. I'll add it eventually. The selection started out very limited. But I didn't just want to go down the list of US political parties because we're not all American.

There are wide interpretations and connotations of liberal/conservative labels, depending on where you are. A conservative position in one country may only be moderate or actually be considered liberal in other countries.

Personally, I vote Independent - but my positions tend to lean towards the US Libertarian party. So neither conservative nor liberal according to the US politics
I recommend taking this test and see where it leads....
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Conservative/Independant. Definately leaning to The Right wing of this whole thing. Yes- I am properly informed, and my opinions are my own.

^^I like Daru's technique. States his opinion, and then instantly drops into a defensive posture to fend off attacks.


I suspect my response will be typical of us here-Independent, but tend to vote more along the lines of the left. Moderate-left, I should say. Both the Democrats and Republicans tick me off, but the Republicans do so more at the moment. Then again, I hate all politicians I haven't met anyway.


Oh and just in case you were wondering about the recent'y disgraced governer of South Carolina-despite the fact I think he's terrible governer, he's a nice guy. Actually one of those guys who believe was moralistic. I used to play soccer with his kid when I was younger.

My views tend to be more liberal. I agree with Libertarian principles.

BTW, I love how everyone (both R and D) are now claiming to root for independents. I'm not sure whether it's just a "hip" phase or if Americans are starting to really understand how the two-party system works. If we want change in our government, we need to end the wars and pass a bill for the Seperation of Corporations and State.

I'M A LIBERAL!

That is all I have to say.

About the independant thing... Republicans have become rather Progressive-Lite, and Democrats Progressive all the way- it seems. I'm sick of it. So is everybody else.

LOL! The moment I'm writing this, there is a commercial next to me writing "Sarah for 2012? VOTE HERE!" LOL!

Sarah Palin is a joke. A joke that has gone on way too long.

The same could be said for others as well. But, you aren't really wrong there either.

That's a familiar face I had to see for a long time...



Welcome back!

And, I'm not American, don't really have a point on all this.

Hey now, Sarah Palin isn't a joke okay?

The idea of her presidency is at the moment, however. I have no problems with her, but fighting inexperience with inexperience isn't in the interest of our country.

Social views =/= Economic views

If you look at the definition of liberalism, how could you even apply it to economics? Unless you feel your way is the best for the people and their civil liberties, but then everyone would be arguing over who has the most "liberal" economic philosophy. Labels kind of stink. I'm definitely a social liberal, though.

True. But at least she was a Govorner.

I still don't know if she's president material quite yet- and I'd definately vote for Huckabee over her any day- even though I can totally see a Huckabee/Palin ticket in the works.

Obama Girl is going to be Huckabee girl next election! WOOHOO!!! YES!!!

Rush Limbaugh should run. Call me crazy, call him crazy. But listen to his show before you go labeling him- give it a week. Not a day or a couple of hours.

He is presidential material. O'reily? No. hannity? Eh, no. Glenn Beck? No, not yet. Excellent VP slot, though.

Ugh... People always call Palin the leader of The Republican party, but it's definately Rush. Who is not a...

Racist.
Bigot.
Evil Man.

He IS...

Rather intelligent.
Stander of his own ground.
Able to lead.

Glenn Beck's success is not only for his in depth research, but the fact that he gets the point across instead of beating around the bush, (Or beating the bush in Left-wing cases). He's the shit.

Should watch his show too, and listen. You might learn something.

FOX news? Better than CNN, NBC, or any other news network out there.

(Spews more Right-Wing stuff)

How is Rush Limbaugh not a hatred-promoting symbol of conservative fascism? Actual quotes:


“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”

“They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?”

[To an African American female caller]: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

“I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”


It's not the 1950s anymore so I doubt he'd get far.

I can definitely see Huckabee having success here in the deep south, but he would probably have trouble running in areas that are tolerant of diversity and not pushing christianity on other people. In my opinion, the Republican Party is going to have to run someone more socially moderate if they want to try to slither their way into controlling the United States again.

Where are the libertarians, anyway? The whole Limbaugh/Palin white christian supremacist thing is going out of style. Are there any republicans who are socially open? A lot of people probably still think "fiscal conservatism" is a good idea, so why haven't they just run on that yet without the social oppression attached?

I have to agree that Sarah Palin is definately not the way to go for the presidency in 2012. Or 2016. Or 2020. But it would be nice to see some candidates with experience levels somewhere between 'community organizer' and '70-year-old veteran.'

Ugh, as if Rush Limbaugh didn't have points? And so what if he said offensive things towards black people? Do you have any idea how much offensive stuff they can get away with saying to white guys? Or the racial hate that is inbred into "street" culture? Any CLUE? No. No inkling. I don't much like getting death-stares from the odd one out at say, Wal-Mart or the mall. I've seen some black dudes with hate in their eyes, looking at me. And I know quite a few who are just the best people out there.

The bone out of the nose thing is just a joke. He doesn't care about being politically correct- and that shows backbone. He doesn't bend to a caller's will just because they're black or something.

I have no problems with other races- but it sure feels like some have a problem with me. And I don't like it. Also? The left has kept the black community where they are with wel-fare, and crap like that. Why would any culture try and advance when they just have to wait for The Government to send a check? If you're living like that, you lose any self-motivation. This is why said culture has devolved the way it has. Everything is just given to them, just because of their "race's" history. It's been a couple of centuries now. Time to let go of past grudges. Time for compensation to stop already- it's undermining American culture.

But no reason to rant at this point. This isn't supposed to become heated- and it won't.

It was far less than a "couple of centuries" ago when human beings with black-colored skin were treated as second-class citizens in the United States, and hung from trees and beaten to death. Prejudice is a virus; It multiplies itself, and after many years of humiliation and hatred, it can be very difficult for the victims to not harbor the same attitude towards others many years after the first crimes end.

An ignorant and hateful joke doesn't show backbone, it shows ignorance and intolerance. "Backbone" isn't what our leaders need anyway. What they need is intelligence and competence as well as respect for the diversity in our nation. A society where the majority oppresses others just because they are the majority is deeply flawed, even if you look past the fact that's it's simply wrong.

The social backwardness and oppression of many republicans is a pretty big problem in my opinion. They speak of "keeping the government out of our lives" when it comes to making money, but sure do spend a lot of time limiting the rights of homosexuals and social minorities. This hypocrisy is also overshadowed by a greater aptitude for corruption than their opponents, due to the anti-regulation philosophy in today's Republican party.

I'm not condoning things like giving social minorities advantages, man. I just hope that when/if someone does discriminate against someone, that person's punished. And I feel strongly about it fairly going both ways. About a week back, my girlfriend and some of her coworkers met with the social officer (I believe that's what the person's called.) because an african american lady was refusing to communicate with them on-the-job several times, openly due to their "race" and informing another african american worker of everyone's task instead. The issue was resolved quickly. True story.

In short, it's the social issues and close-mindedness that really kill the republicans for me. I love the United States and want to see it strong, not socially divided and oppressed. I'm thinking that someone as intolerant as Limbaugh or as incompetent as Palin getting far in an election is unfathomable. Their supporters reflect the kind of hateful, aging attitudes that our great nation is leaving behind as we march into the future a diverse and powerful people.

Their supporters reflect the kind of hateful, aging attitudes that our great nation is leaving behind as we march into the future a diverse and powerful people.[/quote]

The kind of hatefulness you are talking about comes from only a vocal few and is over exaggerated by what is mostly a liberal media.

This. America is a middle-right country, and the average citizens don't look at things like race these days. To make the claim that it's such a huge issue is wrong and counterproductive, because when you take a group of people who don't have problems with one another and begin making the claim that there are problems, then the kind of thinking is created that there is a problem.

People aren't born racist, and you're right, our country is moving away from how things used to be. Which is good. But when you pin claims of racism or prejudice on a group of people when the overwhelming majority don't have problems, then you only prolong the cycle of problems our country used to have.

Egg's on a stick.

Nuff' said.

Yes, you're right about the "pinning." That's actually kind of what I'm saying; There are probably a bunch of republicans who are of course in favor of low taxes and unregulated markets, but aren't racist or socially-backwards. They get "stamped" with a label and their voices are overshadowed by the hateful few. This can happen to any group of people, right? My opinion is just that if they don't shake off some of the social conservatism, they'll likely suffer in the long run due to increasing diversity.

If only it could it could democratic and libertarian groups on the two sides of the aisle. I happen to be left-leaning when it comes to economics, but I still respect and get along with libertarians very well. The discussion is always healthy. I think politics will be much less stressful once social equality is finally established and the discussions are purely about fiscal matters.

But government cannot legitimately bring about that social equality at this point. That's not to say it didn't play a hand in the past, but at this point because of welfare they create a never ending cycle of poverty and people who are seen as socially unequal should be upset with them, not the 'majority' of people in the country. Government is always growing and will never shrink, so wouldn't in be in the government's interest to create a group of people who are essentially in their pocket because they depend on the for a welfare check or program in order to grow further?

It's not about social equality now. It's all about fiscal matters, because the free market is being kept from doing what it and our country's system are meant to do, and that is create the opportunity for people to succeed. The government right now is inhibiting it, like I just said. Social equality by all means has been or is very close to being completely reached. Now it's time for fiscal matters to be discussed. And fiscally, things really need work. Unfortunately, this administration isn't going in the right direction.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

That isn't true. The social situation is far from over, and the longer you ignore it the more it will tear your party apart. Homosexuals will have their equality one way or the other. If it isn't given to them, when they eventually get it there will only be a larger backlash. Ignoring social issues doesn't make them go away.

I think the current administration is going in a fantastic direction. Doing nothing and denying the system is broken when it is doesn't make it go away. Just like social issues, pretending they aren't there and doing nothing fixes nothing in the long-term. It's about time the public was represented instead of the top ten percent. Unregulated capitalism fails. That's probably where we'll disagree, so there likely isn't a point in going much farther into it. My question here is if the republican party is ever going to respect diversity and become a better choice in an election again for people who aren't white christians, regardless of fiscal views.

I was really trying to discuss majorities being overshadowed by social extremists more than political issues themselves. Even though I may disagree with their views fiscally, I feel badly for republican voters who are falsely depicted by hateful individuals.

I think that there is a time for to open up and discuss social problems like equality for homosexuals, etc. But that time is not now. Not when our economy is trying to recover. I also don't think the administration is going in the right direction but there is no point in arguing that. And Dragus, when you asked if the Republican party is ever going to respect diversity, my answer is that we already do respect diversity. Not all of us are white christians. The fact is, that the democratic party has isolated wealthy people by saying that there greedy. Wealthy people, excluding actors, tend to lean more conservative. By isolating them and saying that they take advantage of workers, Democrats gain the support of the less economically successful people which tend to be minorities.

This is just how I see it

This is only true as a matter of persepective. The opportunity to succeed? That one actually is propaganda. NO system is perfect, but I really hate this masquerade of trying to allow people to succeed. Turth is, people can succeeed in ANY market, but the methods, rewards, risks, and regulations will be different. You say no one succeeds under Communism? Nay, there are powerful factory owners, just like here. True most were in government, but I dare you to name a single U.S. senator or president since 1850 who was not filthy rich. I am by no means promoting Communism, just making a point.

Capitalism and free market economies, along with democracy, are not instant happiness generators or guarantees of success. In our system, more products are generated by competition, but big business is allowed MUCH too much latitude in their practices, which are often illegal. That is the major disadvantage for our system, that and the disregard for the poor. The whole purpose of government is to protect its people, correct? Therefore, a solid federal healthcare system is needed to provide good healthcare to all citizens. This I think is something we can take Socialism and adapt to our purposes.

I criticize our government no matter who is in office, but I trust it as a whole. NO, I do not trust the CIA or the NSA, especially recently, but I recognize their vital importance to national safety (the Office of Homeland Security is not needed, however. I think we should be rid of it). Therefore, I trust government regulation moreso than private corporations running things like healthcare or anything involving human welfare/essentials. The purpose of business is to make money, and there is nothing wrong with that. However, when you are supposed to be looking out for others' survivals, you cannot be concerned with profits or you will lose sight of the people you are trying to care for. That is why healthcare is the only industry that I think should be entirely federal.




Coming from someone in South Carolina, I can say that racism is not nearly as prevalent as some would think. In fact, the NAACP has much more power here than any Klansman could. In fact, the pendulum perhaps has swung too far-affirmative action is one of the most bullheaded things EVER conceived. Businesses cannot hire people they think qualified for the job because of the race/gender quotas. It is an invasion of business that does NO ONE any good whatsoever except the one you hired to fill your required space just so people do not think you are racist. The reaction to racism often goes inconceivably overboard, with comments being skewed to soundelitist just to promote someone's agenda.

I never said anything about racism being completely out of control in the south, I just said Huckabee would have trouble in areas where his religious views wouldn't have appeal. Laws that force christianity and its beliefs on the population aren't liked by non-christians most of the time.

That's still a very good point, though. Due to that sort of thing happening, hatred is stirred up again. Prejudice is contagious either way. I don't like it going either way, either through racism or excessive affirmitive action. But when I see somebody like Limbaugh spouting ignorance and hate comments, or Palin pitching her "us versus them" attitude with "them" being non-whites/christians, it doesn't take long to know that they don't need to be running the country. I live in the south too, and everybody here isn't racist. But it's clear Limbaugh and Palin are, or are at least using those attitudes for political gain.

Stewart/Colbert 2012!

Hope you guys at least watched the Health Care Summit. Hell, do any of you guys even watch CSPAN?

All it was was a circus. Reconciliation would be used anyway. Health care reform is needed, but not how the government is doing it.

I'm a Liberal. That's that.

This is how I see it. Both sides are vying for power. The last few years the republicans had the chair, but now that the democrats have it, the Republicans are bickering about it. I may be a democrat, but I don't see much action from Obama. Because the Economy is in a mess now, no arguing with that. But what we need is a strong leader, who knows how to fix things, like Andrew Jackson. Obama I believe just doesn't have the spirit. He's got good potential, but I don't see him using it. Next election, I'm voting for Hilary.

Now Palin is a joke, seriously. It would just be funny to see her be president, not that I'd support it, but I bet Colbert and Jon Stewart would have a field day with her, not like they already are now. Now onto "going rogue". Hmm, from what I heard it didn't score much brownie points, In fact it partially turned things against her. However, I think she needs to make up her mind. She's been going into phases every few months, saying she wants the presidency, then next she doesn't. If I had to choose between Palin and McCain if they were the only two choices, I would go with McCain, lesser of two evils.

Eh, the first thing we need to do is end this pointless war in Iraq, then we can focus on other problems, like fixing this damn healthcare problem

You know, if Hilary isn't running again and all the other options just are bad, I would vote for

STEPHEN COLBERT!!!!!

(plays theme song)
dum dum dum dum dum


He's a hero

I'm a fellow southerner. I hail from Georgia. How about you? Where do you live?

P.S. Dragus, I'm going to assume you are athiest, but I'm not going to declare you athiest.

Or try to preach to you ;-)

The reason our government is struggling to reform health care is because of all of the lobbying going around. Both D and R are guilty, however the Obama Admin is aware of this yet it cannot overstep it's boundry as Executive Branch. The summit was a great way to expose the childishness of the GOP. A fellow redditor pretty much summed up the summit perfectly....



EDIT: did you watch it? the only circus acts I saw were the Republicans constantly pushing to scrap the bill.

O THANK GAWD. A FELO CHRISTIAN.

But seriously, Dragus. There are no laws that force christianity. This nation was formed on freedom of religious practice. You must really dislike religion.

I was born in North Carolina, FT. Lejune. Dad was a former service marine. I'm from illinois.

About southern Racism... Bullshit. There are more people of a non-Caucasian ethnicity down there. Most northern areas are white as snow, comparatively.

But... Huckabee, Christian as he is... It doesn't mean he will force his views upon others- he's just an enlightened individual is all he is. He's happy, and his faith has a part in that.

Proof... Ugh... Such a material thing- there is no true proof of god that we know of, but there is faith. One very important human element. Christianity is done forcing it's views upon others. I have never read The Bible, and seldom go to church, but I am devoted to my faith- accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, and God as the one and only.

If I sound crazy, so be it. It's my faith. Leave me be on it, and I will do so in kind.

But... Don't base a politician on his faith. No law forces you to believe a religion. That's wrong- and won't ever happen in America.





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Th' fuck? What did Palin ever say about any race? I ain't ever seen it. She doesn't give a flyin' fuck about what color someone is... Neither does Rush. He especially doesn't care to the point- where he doesn't care what he says to them. Nobody should care, noone should be offended.
And screw the them being, "Nonwhites and non christians." You're sounding like a hateful atheist stricken with white guilt. An ignoramus. Them, being The far left and their ideas. Big Brother. Think of that. He'll be watchin you soon.

I am sick and goddamned tired of people saying that all Republicans, their leaders, and associates are racist bible thumping hicks. Republicans sure as hell don't insult you guys like that. I mean, come on? Who's namin' names here? Who's makin' shit up..?

Look- I like to give people a chance. Second ones at that. But you're starting to piss me off, making sweeping generalizations about an entire goram political party.

Don't be so frakking ignorant.

What I did see what a huge amount of interruptions by Obama and for a supposedly bipartisan meeting, the democrats talked twice as much as republicans. The democrats were completely unwilling to incorporate good ideas from Republicans like Tort Reform. Why?

Face it, come November it will be the people talking with their votes, not the politicians with their antics.

Arkansas. I'm looking forward to moving after finishing college, though.


Daruchias, telling homosexuals who they can and can't marry is one of the most blatant examples of intolerance and religious force. Until what I expect to be very soon, they weren't allowed to be open about themselves in the military either. I'm male and have had a female partner for nearly five years and intend to spend the rest of my life with her, and even I can see that.



I did actually laugh a little a few times. I love that look of agitation senator McCain gets on his face when he's shot down. At first I was very annoyed that the summit was being held, since I had been growing tired of our administration trying to cooperate with people who are nothing more than obstructionists and want to undermine us. But in the long run the president has done a good job exposing this, so now they'll have a tougher time saying we didn't listen to them when we pass our bill. (Which is a silly thing to begin with, considering the fascists punched through everything they had when they were the majority.)

I took this test and it puts me in the middle of the bottom left box consistantly.

I`m halfway to the left and halfway to libertarian.

Dragus- have you no respect for Christian tradition? I have no problems with gays, infact I know a couple- get along with them rather well. My best friend is Bi leaning towards guys- even. But truthfully?

I think that particular group of people are attempting to force themselves upon churches, in order to let them get married. But you don't have to get married to be together, either. I'm not going to until I know I'm having kids. Marriage is stressful, from what I've seen.

They've got Civil union. It's roughly the same thing- just not quite as ceremonial. I'm not going to say that a religion should abandon tradition, either.

Because you, Dragus, wouldn't dare say anything against Muslims or Islamic culture, now would you? But hate on Christians all you want! Hypocrite.

I took that test- and I found something interesting. Mis-information regarding Hitler. He was NOT on the Authoritarian Right, he was a progressive.

He even said that a few times.

He was on the very, very far left authoritarianism.

I hit JUST right above the line, middle-right. I believe that Government serves it's purpose enforcing law, but not much else.

Hitler, though... He's not even on the same wavelength on the right- AT ALL. I know my parties values. They don't reflect that in the slightest bit. Unless you listen to far left media.

My results couldhave been wrong. A couple things... I think I mis-interpereted. But, whatever. It's mostly right on where I believe I stand.

Damn, it's getting heated in here. Shouldn't this be more of a discussion of making valid points/statements and talking sense? I mean, it's getting to be a hate-off contest between the two of you, stating points just to get at each other. Cool down guys, I know we all have different beliefs but we shouldn't be forcing people to believe something, which is apparently some of you are doing.

Each religion is guilty of crimes and blood and wars, no matter how "pure" it seems, it's past and heritage holds blood, whether for good or evil. Christianity also has it's own faults as well so it is not immune to criticism, and the same rules for the other religions as well. Now I may be a Christian, but I still have my point to prove. Out of all the religions, I believe Christianity is one of the few that had the most bloody, greedy pasts. The Crusades are on of the biggest examples. It was a series of wars to capture a single city. Don't Christians believe in peace and all? Because that was one of God's commandments "Thou Shalt Not Kill" yet the Christians murdered everyone in their path who would not convert to Christianity. I believe the hypocrite stands most with the Christians. "Thou Shalt Not Steal" yet the High Officials in the Holy Roman Empire, including the pope, took people's money, even the poor. That's when the first section off the Catholics, the Lutherans, created their own segment in the Christian Faith. The Muslims have a bloody past too, as well as Judaism, but I have never really seen any war started by them just to fight for the sake of religion and converting. Insult me if you must but this is where I stand and my gathering of information from history books, and I will defend my position. Check them out if you don't believe me.

That's my statement on religion, I think I already had my say on the rest though.

Purely dependent on perspective-for example, I see the Republicans currently as unwilling to compromise. It seems to me, everything proposed to them they have answered with a resounding "no" rather than a willingness to work things out. HOwever, they see the democrats as the same way. The bottom line is both groups are sticking by their guns, which is admirable.

Now, both you and Daru are conservative. That is certainly your prerogative-and no one should try to take that from you, but the sitting Republicans are only harming the majority of their supporters by denying the healthcare bill. Perhaps you two support their opposition on principle, which is most admirable, but I guarantee the majority of those senators oppose it due to concern for their already fat wallets. Here in South Carolina, the Republicans are mostly normal people like you and me with moderate or low incomes. THEY are ones being screwed by the denial of this bill-if the universal healthcare system is set up, they will only pay less for hospital stays and not more.

I object, and continue to object, to a healthcare system where there is a person standing between me and my doctor with his hand open to take my money. And then, when he refuses to pay for my operation years later due to the cost, a cost my premiums are designed to pay for, I know I would take a federal system of healthcare over a profit-driven private one.

However......


...truer words have never been spoken.

Look, healthcare is a nice idea, but it doesn't work. You won't be getting even slightly decent healthcare. If the Government controls the healthcare, they control you.

I believe in the government fulfilling certain roles, but their role is not to control us.

Also, the healthcare system is not for the general good at all. It's a control game- as it's always been. The far left wishes to control this country, and it's people, with nobody being able to tell them otherwise.

It isn't in your best interests.

And about Republicans being crazy? It's BS. Same with Democrats. It's BS that either one is crazy. Our extreme far left and rights? They're bonkers. But there are far fewer far-right than there are leftists. Obama is on the very far left.

Progress is nice, but progress and change, just for the sake of it would be detrimental to our country. Alot of what he's trying to do is un-constitutional, and any true American knows that The Constituion is to be followed, and it was written for a reason. It's like the Ten Commandments, but not quite as highly held up.

Ever heard of Sunnism and Shi'ism?

AK, nobody said HCR isn't needed. You know what, good for the democrats for getting the ball rolling. Shame on them for making another Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. Medicaid consumes on average 21 percent of total state spending, that's all passed on to taxpayers. Government HCR isn't there to help, as it may appear, because if I remember correctly millions still will remain uninsured. Dependence on government is all that will ensue, and you will still have someone standing between you and your doctor.

Government must regress to the role it played prior to the Great Depression where it's there to fight wars, build roads, and protect rights. Obama got it right when he said the Constitution was full of 'negative liberties', or what the government couldn't do to the citizens. It seems as though increasingly, the government is seeking to expand what it CAN do to its citizens, one of which will soon become requiring them to buy federal health insurance. This is leaps and bounds beyond what government should be doing as defined by the Constitution.

But government won't get smaller. Ever. Health care reform will pass, and then it's on to cap-and-trade, which WILL doom us. Creating a fiat currency out of carbon, essentially pouring trillions on dollars into the economy overnight will ruin the predicament we already find ourselves in. Cap-and-trade will probably be stopped.

If you haven't already, you should take a look and Liberty and Tyranny. Most of you lefties probably won't like it, but if you value the Constitution it's worth a read. Also, I thought this was funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZfRaWAtBVg
Helps if you've heard the song it's parody'd off of.

yeah but the Crusades were big enough to make the big books.

Look, nothing personal, but I don't know what 'books' you're reading. It's a shame for whatever school district you go to that you haven't been taught about other religions' problems, but I guess that's not politically correct. Or maybe you haven't reached that grade level yet.

Either way, impress your history teacher and read up on the three gunpowder empires and the fights they got into, and maybe take a dip into Muslim treatment of women. You progressives oughta love it.

Damn, A77... I should just leave the politics to you.

I am sick and tired of Christianity being made out the be the bad guy in... Everything. It's almost like the sight of The Cross makes some people wet themselves for the dumbest reasons.

As far as wears started by muslims/islam, howabout THIS one? Or was it us who blew up a couple of towers with some planes?

I may take up your advice A77. Unfortunately I'm in 8th grade and unti 9th grade I am in American History, and before that I was in Ancient History. I should be in world history next year

Daru: We are only stating the facts of Christianity, calm down. It is still a good faith, but it has its faults as well. As are all religions, Christianity is not immune to criticism

This war is not a war over religion, but rather just simple terrorism. We all know that

Actually, over there they call it The Jihad- The Holy War.

Source of Information?

Yes, it is religious. Most of the kids they get to become suicide bombers are illiterate, and can't even read their holy book. If they could, they'd know what they're doing is hypocritical. But yes, it absolutely is a war of religion.

Back on topic, I REALLY recommend Liberty and Tyranny. Its takes several reads to digest all the information, however.