ok i dont know if anyone here posted a topic about this so here it goes.


here is a lil description on the venator's starfighter capacity:192 V-19 Torrent or V-wing fighters, 192 Jedi starfighters, 36 ARC-170 fighters, and 20 LAAT/I gunships.


now how can the venator hav a considerable fighter conpliment u can probably change it to large or sumthing becuz they were ment to carry the fighters everywhere

1 more thing is it just goin to have 1 type of fighter and bomber or are they goin to have wat it says above?

Don't even bother reading the unit list for much of anything anymore; most of it was written before Empire at War was even released as far as I can tell.

o ok dude. when are they going to update the unit lists?

We'll get to it... eventually.

Good question. Personally I'm a bit undecided for what I'd like to see with the Venator's fighter complement. The ICS states there are massive amounts of Jedi Interceptors and V-wings with some ARC-170's. However, in RotS the ARC-170 is costantly emphasised as the Republic fighter, with the V-wing emphasised as the fighter of the new Empire. After all the only time we really see a Republic V-wing is in the hangar bay of Obi's flagship.

There are a few V-Wings in the background at the beginning in the film, you just have to look very close, but they are very rarely seen in the rest of RotS, but yes the main GAR starfighter is emphasized as the ARC-170, and then the secondary is the Eta-2.

The v wing is also found escorting Palpatines shuttle in Rots. You can tell that it is the new fighter because of it's similarity with the Tie Fighter. The Arc's upgrade was the X-wing but that got stolen so they scrapped it.

The ETA-2 was not used by clones at all. It was the replacement for the Delta-7 when the Jedi decided they needed better starfighters for the war. ETA-2 being used by clones is battlefront crap. So is the misleading role of the V-wing as a bomber. It carried no torpedoes, bombs, or anything else. But it was used more than some may think.

So V-wings and Arcs are are going to obviously be the main fighter and bomber complememnts repectively for the Venator, or so it seems. Now, Eta-2/Deltas....should they be minor heroes? Should they be spawned automatically if only Jedi piloted such craft? Jedi are limited in the Clone Wars (at least compared to the massed clones). So those crafts gonna be minor heroes or what?

The V-wing being a bomber is indeed false. It does not follow however, that Battlefront claiming the V-wing to be a bomber makes everything else Battlefront says untrue.

Canonically, the Eta-2 made up almost half the fighter complement of a Venator- as a result, there would have been vastly more Eta-2s than Jedi, and no Navy would have been stupid enough to simply waste that many starfighters.

The Eta-2 was extremely popular among Jedi pilots because a Jedi's precognitive abilities would allow him to make the most of the craft's great speed. While it is true that the craft's predecessor, the Delta-7, was designed exclusively for Jedi, the Eta-2 saw much more use in the Republic Navy at large, being smaller (and thus more economical with hangar space) as well as cheap, modular, and effective. Had the Eta-2 been a Jedi-only design, it is highly unlikely that it would have inspired the TIE fighter, which shared its fundamental design philosophies of being a small, cheap fighter with shielding and armament sacrificed in favour of pure speed.

We've got this covered, don't worry.

I think the V-wing is one of the best fighters what the republik can have.

Glad to hear that Mall, I figured IA2 would be ahead of me, lol. And I do believe Hadiss made a very clear point there with the Eta-2. Very logical thinking, in which I concur.

You could code it so that Jedi minor heroes(and majors too, of course) piloted them.
(It's possible)

i think only clones because they are enhance and jedi can fly a eta2 because there too many g's or some crap like that for normal humans.

and i'm not sure the clones could fly them and you never see anybody except jedi ever flying them in the movies or cartons

But there's something beyond movies and cartoons

I might debate, hadiss but later. Too many debates lately.

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and i'm not sure the clones could fly them and you never see anybody except jedi ever flying them in the movies or cartons

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not true. In one of the comics set about a week after Revenge of the Sith, Eta 2s can be seen flying alongside a Dreadnaught over Coruscant.



[color="#666666"]As for the X Wing as the ARC's replacement, everybody knows the clasic Incom defection story which killed off the X Wing in Imperial Service permamanetly...

Easily the best fighter in service to the Republic would be the ARC-170. It's a heavy assault fighter capable of doing serious damage to large warships, making independant reconnaissance runs, and dogfighting as well. The V-wing is mostly for short-range anti-fighter protection, designed as small and agile as possible to pick off droid fighters.

As for the Clones flying Jedi Interceptors, as much as I disagree with it, it is canon. It's one of the more ridiculous things EU has come up with, but there you go.

EU. Can't live with it, can't live without it. Seriously. But another example of BF crap is the Belbulab being used as a CIS bomber.

BF II is so Un-Cannon i makes SW Lego The Video Game Cannon.

Or the "I can blow up three Munificents with one ARC-170" fact (which is quite easy with the torpedoes...)

As much as I believe BFII is un-cannon, I think we should stop the bashing. It's simply a Star Wars game for kids. I mean, hell, it's pretty fun to play around with. Even though it's not fully cannon, it allows one to get in a starfighter or become a jedi and completely destroy the other side . So I say lets ignore the fact that BFII is un-cannon and that it is giving Star Wars fans "a wrong viewpoint" of a sci-fi fantasy universe, and just play these fun games!

You dare go against our Un-Cannonistic rights! *Pimp Slaps YouEnjoyMyself*

But i do aggree it is fun.

QFT. Hey, If you go to Polis Massa on 2-flag CTF, don't capture the flag, just shoot all of the other team as they pass the midway point. I got so many kills the XBox reset my kill count.

Agreed that people should just leave Battlefront's Non canoness alone. C'mon people, we can wipe out Gungans and Ewoks by the Ton.





Anyway, back on topic:



I have an idea that might work: it's possible to code the hangars so in the first couple of tech they'd spawn say V-19s and whatever the Reps used for a bomber at that time (the NT? The PTB? I don't know...according to the Battle of Rendili it seemed to be the LAAT) and in the Phase 2 tech era they simply spawn V Wing and ARCs and..the other bomber used by the GAR at that time (Y Wing? how the heck should I know, it was never covered in the books)

Halo CE or 2 CTF > BF2 CTF by a lot

BF2 only could last so long for me...

Hi Im new but here are my thoughts
The Y-wing was said to be used before and during the clone wars so mabe it should be the republic's bomber.
And then have the Arc as the heavy assult fighter and the V-wing as the intorceptor

Not quite; the Y-wing was produced after the Clone Wars.

Some ARC Troopers used them, but yes, they saw very little use.

As far as the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels is concerned, they were developed after the Clone Wars. Wookieepedia puts a date of 18 BBY on their production. Overall I'd have to go with those two sources... even if I do dislike trusting Wookieepedia sometimes.

sorry my mistake ill trie to make sure my information is correct before i post next time

When does the NTB-630 come into play?

We're considering how that'll work out... I'm still not sure.

Well I have a few ideas in this regard.

In terms of pure fighter, you'd look at the Republic getting the V-19 and then the V-wing.

With the bomber though I have two ideas.

The first is that the Republic just has two fighters, the V-wing and ARC-170. The V-wing functions as a small, agile pure fighter, whilst the ARC-170 functions as an assault fighter, good at dogfighting and whatnot but also carrying enough heavy fighterpower to hurt warships. After all it has big cannons and almost as many proton torps as a Y-wing. For bombing runs, the Gunship would be in that role. The only probably is that this may get a little confusing as Gunships are also buildable for use in land battles.

The second idea is that after the Republic gets the V-wing, the V-19 becomes the Republic bomber. It too has a payload similar to the Y-wing and, like the Y-wing, would have started life as a fighter and then moved to a fighter-bomber role. It also has the advantage of being canon and unlike the ugly NTB etc, it has been seen in the CW cartoons.

Where was the Y-Wing in the CW cartoons?

Second option is a good one. The V-Wing certainly should be like the Republic's A-Wing, while the ARC-170 would serve as a good multi-role and attack fighter (like the X-Wing mods that have the proton torp ability, fo'instance). The V-19 is an attack fighter, meant for attacking-therefore, it would serve as a good attacking bomber, also a canon one. The gunship is a bit slow to serve in the role of a dedicated bomber, which isn't even its primary suited ability-the V-19 would make plenty of sense there, with the buffing up by the ARC-170s.

What kind of rockets are carried by the V-19s in the Clone Wars cartoons, though? I suppose they could be interchangeable, but they appear to be concussion missiles, locking on to fighters and destroying most with one hit. However, they also do tremendous to the inside of a CIS space installation. (Speaking of which, that would make a good CIS space station.)

Well, in atmosphere a concussion missile'd be pretty lethal with all the shock waves created by the concussive force, and whatnot. In space, it'd probaly have to be armed with Proton Torps for effectiveness against capital ships.

V-19 Torrent fighteres wouldn't have to carry proton torpedoes to attack Capital ships because it doesn't have that role as a starfighter. V-19s carried at least 6 concussion missles or even more. These were originally short-range fighters, but some were modified with hyperdrive systems for escort missions.

Prudii is right about the concussion missle guess. ASB is correct about the effectiveness of the missles in the atmosphere and the surface of a CIS space station, but note Prudii said inside a station. No doubt about it, a concussion missle would do tremendous damage inside a station.

Yeah, I suppose they did carry only Concussion missiles in the cartoon, but they may be interchangeable, who knows.

Whilst the V-19 doesn't apparently carry Proton torps, remember that it has at least 6, possibly more, and also any game has to use artistic licence. Besides, a lot of older fighters are modified into a strike role once their primary mission has been taken over by a new aircraft.

Instead of Argueing what ships should be used for the Ven, why not gather together all ships it uses and let the ship have them, limit the squad numbers to like, 2 Arc-170 Squadrons, 2 V-wing Squadrons, 1 ETA 2 Squadron, LAAT/i,s should be single ships and should only have 1-2 with a Venator.But the Arc-170 should take the role as a Fighter/Bomber, the ETA 2's should come as 2 ETA's and 2-3 Arc-170's. It seems the only reasonable ship to be a fighter/bomber is the Arc-170. The V-19 Torrent could possibly only be able to be built at the space station, or the Acclamators could carry them.

V-19s and NTB-630s should be in the first tech levels, then later come the V-wing and ARC-170.

That wouldn't make sense. The NTB is described as a cousin of the ARC - going so far as to say it's basically a modified ARC-170 fuselage for anti-capital ship work.

OK, just use my idea.

... Was that an order?

i have a question about the venator. is it goin to have red lasers along with the blue ones i have seen a pic of the ven at filefront very beautiful shots coming out of the dual barreled canons but i also see some red plz dont put that color on the ship it would make it uncanon


P.S. Lieutenant Prudii dude i dont think u shouldn't have said that. he is a co-leader along with swgbex. if i was a leader i would want members to order me around

Mall can't use Prudii's idea, he has to use my idea, and thats an order, soldier!

No, mine!

I meant just take what I said earlier and do whatever needs to be done to make it canon, then possibly employ it. This is mostly suggestions, anyway.